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11/26/2014 3:26 am  #21

Re: Preethi and Moses David


11/29/2014 3:28 am  #22

Re: Preethi and Moses David


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11/29/2014 3:54 am  #23

Re: Preethi and Moses David

There seems to be some question of who the Bible is for. Who it addresses. Church of Wells seems to believe that it's just for The Elect. The Remnant. Not for just anyone.

So, the Bible is a manuscript for just a few. Just people who are saved (or not, depending on how Sean Morris and Preethi understand it).

To answer the question - Was Jesus Christ a Calvinist? - no. Jesus was Jewish. Christianity hadn't been invented yet.

The bizarre esoteric nature of this question is so, well, out there, that it's hard to get your head around it. This isn't smart or deep or especially enlightened. This is weird.

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12/01/2014 2:40 pm  #24

Re: Preethi and Moses David

Numerology and bible prophecy

What's the significance of the number 70?

What Moses means is the 35 men of Church of Wells. A more elusive construct: they go out by twos. Each is escorted by a brother. Perhaps he's predicting their goals will come to fruition when they are doubled (70).

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1/02/2015 2:16 am  #25

Re: Preethi and Moses David

A very important conversation. Reposted here from Facebook, in its entirety. 
Formatting edits to remove links and improve readibility.

Anand David Luke 2:8 And in the same region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear. 10 And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.” 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”

Anand David It is not a sin to take occasion to rejoice in the birth of Christ.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Anand, The Bible tells us to "rejoice in the Lord always, and again I say, rejoice," and not according to the"vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers," "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof," We do not have any examples of these vain celebrations in the New Testament church. Love in Christ, Dad.

Anand David It is not vain to celebrate the birth of Christ.

Moses Mercy Preethi David No it is not, but it is a vain thing to follow the traditions of man.

Moses Mercy Preethi David We celebrate the Risen Savior who has entered the heavenlies to give a LIVING hope in the RESURRECTED CHRIST, who has given of things above. HE IS COMING, THE KING IS COMING! "when have you looked into the clouds recently?" LIC, Dad

Martha Navara The angels celebrated the birth of the King, so celebrating His birth was not a tradition started by man.

Anand David Martha, you are absolutely right!

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Martha, The angels did not celebrate like the tradition of man to satisfy their carnal desires and covetousness. The tradition of man focuses on man rather than the Risen, Conquering King who will come with His angels in blazing fire to judge the world and establish His throne forever. LIC, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Martha, The Holy Spirit empowered apostles of the New Testament Church did not show us the pattern of celebration of this vain tradition of man which focuses on the sitting, eating and merry making in the name of Christ, to make it like the golden calf, God is not pleased with it, even if certain genuine people of God are innocently following this tradition with a sincere heart but without knowledge and understanding. Love in Christ, Moses.

David K Meier Martha Navara. I am with you on this one. Loving our family and friends with gifts and spedning time together is not satisfying a carnal desire. It is expressing God's love and is a reflection of His love for us as demonstrated in the giving of His son. Merry Christmas.

Aaron Monteiro Without the birth of Christ we would not have a crucifixion and resurrection for the salvation of our souls. Every facet of Christ's life is equally important. Not celebrating the birth of the King of kings would trivialize the significance of the Incarnation.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear All, I am fearful for your souls that you either do not know what it means to rejoice in the Lord Jesus Christ, or have become so backslidden in your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ, that you are justifying your own lusts, and this pagan celebration which trivialiizes the great Name of the Risen, Savior, Lord Jesus Christ, who has given His life for the salvation of souls, so that souls may be purchased by His precious blood and used by Him for whichever purpose He has fore-ordained to establish a kingdom of greater glory for Himself! On December 25th of this year, a man of God visited us, and preached through the book of Hebrews for four hours, just for me and Mercy,......the glory of the Risen Christ, the empathizing High Priest who is greater than any angel, who is a Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek was revealed in the inspired Word of was a great treat, much more pleasurable than any Christmas tree, family time, carnal gift, or some great food celebrated and trivialized in the name of the slain Lamb of God, who took away the sin of the world! Love in Christ, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dave Meier, Dave, son of Meier, lovest thou me more than these?........Feed my sheep. Dave, son of Meier, lovest thou me?.....Feed my sheep. Dave, son of Meier, lovest thou me?.....Feed my sheep.

Kerry Navara Moses, is it pleasing to God for a man, who cannot see into the hearts of others, to judge and accuse them of being vain, covetous, backslidden, lustful and carnal in the way they celebrate the birth of our Savior? According to Romans 14 should you be comparing the way you celebrate Christmas to the way others do and then deciding which God is most pleased with? Tell me Moses, is there any area in your theology where you disagree with Sean Morris? Has he become the Holy Spirit in your life?

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, It has nothing to do with my blessed son-in-law, but everything to do with this pagan celebration and your hearts. "A wicked and an adulterous generation asks for a sign, none will be given it, except the sign of Jonah," "For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints"~Psalm 37:28a Love in Christ, Moses.

​Kerry Navara I would be interested to read your answers to my questions.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, "A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed." ~Matthew 16:4

Aaron Monteiro Well sir, if you have your own private devotion on the 25th of December, of reading and expounding on the book of Hebrews, we respect that and in the best interest of the kingdom perhaps the Lord would that you do not sound the trumpet like the hypocrites do to get the praises of men. Ever heard of religious sandbagging? It's like not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing and not sounding the trumpet for people to look at your godliness. There are many people who do so and their Father who is in heaven will reward them openly.

Kerry Navara OK, I get it now. It is OK for you to accuse and judge the hearts of others but if they ask you questions it is like challenging Jesus. So that is how I should understand your response?

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, Sean Morris is an earthen vessel, standing in the grace of God. He is mortal man, but by the grace of God has a standing, just as anyone who humbles oneself before Almighty God and His Word, instead of being allured by the traditions of man. Only the Word of God is perfect, not any man. I hope it answers your question. Love in Christ, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, The issue is not about my personal devotion but about the trampling of the Son of God by the blood of whose covenant a man is saved. Jesus Christ has established a heavenly Priesthood which negates human tradition, including your catholic priesthood and vain traditions that you practice through your religious works of the flesh...these have a form of godliness, but have no value in the heavenly kingdom, which is based on having a personal relationship with God Himself, The Lord Jesus Christ, who has torn the veil of separation between God and man, opening a new Way through the Risen Lord Jesus Christ. May the Lord Jesus Christ reveal Himself to you in His glory to remove the darkness of the vain pursuits of the catholic church. Love in Christ, Moses

Kerry Navara Answers one of my questions.

Aaron Monteiro Moses, just as you are not comfortable with my way of life which is about celebrating every facet of the Lord's life be it His Birth, Passion, or Resurrection, I myself IN GOOD CONSCIENCE could not condone the teachings and practices of Protestantism and also the Church of Wells. And I too also wish that your eyes be opened as much as mine that you may may renounce the teachings of your church and denomination once confronted with the truth lest you perish in the fires of hell. So I am concerned about the state of your souls perhaps just as much as you are concerned about mine. To end with I would like to quote an admonishment from the beloved Apostle Paul who warned of such sectarianism prevalent in your form of Christianity.
I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who
create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you
have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord
Christ, but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering words they
deceive the hearts of the simple-minded. 
- Apostle Paul(Romans 16:17-18)

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, The issue at heart is more than the eating of vegetables and meat that Romans 14 teaches about, but it is about taking the Name of the Son of God in vain. God commands the priesthood of His chosen people to put on the full armor of God including the breastplate of His righteous judgment to defeat the attacks of the devil against them. Yes, God is pleased with righteous judgment and grieved when His children are in an adulterous relationship with the prince of the power of the air which is at work among the sons of disobedience who have become the false prophets by proclaiming peace in the midst if the chaos of this wicked pagan tradition of man. In the case of our time in Hebrews, we were not celebrating Christmas, but celebrating the Living Word of God and the Living Holy Spirit in the young man of God named William who answered God's call to come and preach the blessed book of Hebrews instead of reveling in the foolish festival of merry making in the name of Christ. Love in Christ, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, The doctrine of Christ, and of Paul negates the priesthood of the Catholic church. Paul was not preaching against dissension with false religion, or with the vain traditions of man, but within the true body of Christ. Paul taught to put away the immoral brother from the body so that a little leaven will not contaminate the whole dough, so righteous judgment is an important and essential part of the Christian life, and has nothing to do with dissensions among the true children of God who were BORN-AGAIN by God's Holy Spirit and carrying forward the works of the Holy Spirit rather than the works of human flesh like the traditions of the Catholic church. Apostle Paul had the true born-again experience and the regeneration by God's Holy Spirit rather than the foolish sprinkling of water when he was a baby. I hope you will be born-again too instead of putting your hope in the crafted traditions of your catholic church. Love in Christ, Moses.

Kerry Navara So God is pleased with you for judging the hearts of people, even though you do not know what's in their hearts? Again, without being in anyone's house or heart, you accuse and judge. Romans 14 also teaches about how people regard various days. Curiously, you left that portion of the Bible out of your answer. Romans 14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. You are the one who brought up how you spent December 25, seemly to contrast how you righteously spent the day. You have now answered two of my questions.

Aaron Monteiro For the benefit of others who follow this thread, I will say the same Paul who had a conversion experience was not high minded and haughty thinking that once he had an experience whether you call it a "born again" experience or not that it was impossible for him to go to hell. Perhaps Romans 11 doesn't seem to register on the mind of the one who posted this OP. Paul warns that certain sins like the ones mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21 will send you straight to the fires of hell if not ultimately repented with perfect contrition. Regardless of your "conversion" or supposed "born again" experience. From what I heard about the Church of Wells they don't preach once saved always saved. And if that is the case they are close to preaching the Catholic doctrine that Paul preached and Paul also preached submission to the authority that has been passed down from first generation Christians till the Christians of our generation. Rebellion against God's appointed authority and setting up your own authority or claiming divine authority is the spirit of Core.
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, Unless a man be born again by God's Holy Spirit, he has no eternal life, every good without being born again is a work of the flesh which is a filthy can never save a person, obedience is impossible without the Spirit of God. For the born-again person God demands obedience by surrendering to God's indwelling Holy Spirit. There is perfect enablement and perfect security to the born-again believer who looks to Christ and His Word and submits to God's Holy Spirit by faith in the work of Living Christ who reckons them as dead to self and alive in Christ. For the born-again Christian who chooses to deny Christ and the Holy Spirit through unbelief, the Bible does not promise security but destruction. God will NOT blot out the name of any person who continues in faith in the Son of God who has purchased him with His precious blood, no one can pluck him out of the Father's hand. If a person tramples upon the Son of God and the covenant through the blood whereby he was sanctified through willful unrepentant sin, there is no sacrifice left for him, except the fearful expectation of the judgment of God, who is a consuming fire. Concerning obeying the elders within the church, it is foolish and dangerous thing to do so if they are not born-again by the Spirit of God, or in a backslidden state whereby they are not surrendered to the Holy Spirit and no righteous work of God's judgment goes forth from their hands in their "altogether unprofitable" condition. Sadly, this is the condition of the church today. May the Lord give you the eyes to see the false christianity within the catholic church, and for the others to see the false christianity in the protestant churches by leaders who are leading by the flesh rather than by complete surrender to the Holy Spirit and God's pure and perfect Word. Doctrines and traditions of man have no eternal value. Love in Christ, Moses.

Kelsey Ann Piater Most Christians intuitively recognize that it is sinful to allow what God prohibits. God has said that we must not steal or commit adultery, and certainly it would be sinful for us to say otherwise. And yet, it is not so clear (especially amongst conservative Christians), that it is equally sinful to prohibit what God allows. Believing that it is better to be safe than sorry, we tend to be quite fine setting up prohibitions against things that God allows, and then holding others to those prohibitions. We apply principles regarding worship, modesty, or stewardship in specific ways, we codify them, and then we hold others to those applications. Eventually an entire culture can be created in a church or in a group of churches that measures holiness in terms of the specific applications.

The problem with either error is the same. When I allow what God prohibits, I am setting myself up as god–as the lawgiver. My rule is supreme. On the same token, when I prohibit what God allows, I am not “erring on the side of caution,” but am actually setting myself up as god–as the lawgiver. My rule is supreme. If I cannot prove that God prohibits something, then I should simply acknowledge it. I might have an entire list of reasons I believe a certain course of action to be best, but far better to use words like “wisdom” and “prudence,” rather than absolute moral terms (e.g. “sinful”).

In advising others we must have the HUMILITY and MATURITY to counsel within the authority we’ve been given (i.e. Scripture). We need to be able to understand the difference between *moral imperatives* to be declared and obeyed by all, and matters of *personal judgment* in areas where Scripture speaks in principle or even not at all. We do people a disservice if we cloak our applications in terms of God’s revealed will.

Why is this important? Well, apart from all the obvious theological, pastoral, and spiritual reasons; it matters because **this kind of ERROR affects people’s lives**. I’ve certainly seen situations where church leadership has consistently taught applicational issues as if they were moral absolutes and the result has been division, strife, and disunity in both families and churches. Sadly, this sort of example is not uncommon in Christian churches. Teaching as doctrine the commandments of men (Matt. 15:9) affects people in the here and now.

So brothers and sisters, let us by all means make application of Scriptural principles. We must faithfully apply God’s Word in our contemporary context. But let us have the integrity and humility to make clear when we are speaking God’s truth and when we are giving our best judgment.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kelsey, The parables of Jesus Christ give enough warnings concerning God's view of what constitutes authentic faith. Both the backslidden, and the non-regenerated, professing christian have the same attitudes: "what else that is of the world can I include in my life as a Christian without stepping outside of the rules?" whereas, the man abiding in faith keeps the fear of the Lord before his eyes, is completely satisfied in Christ, lives his life in Christ, thinking about the kingdom of heaven, living to please the Spirit of God, and thinking about what pleases his Lord and Master, knowing that his life is not his own, but that it belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why apostle Paul said, "for me to live is Christ." He talks about Demas who loved the world and departed from the Truth. The standard of the law of the Spirit of Life and life in the Spirit are very clear: 1 John 2:15-17 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." It is not God's will that His children follow the foolish pagan traditions of wicked men! Love in Christ, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, The chapter begins and ends concerning eating, and yes, it includes mention of the days in verses 5 and 6, in relation to the Jewish festivals and new moons. Paul is not including pagan traditions and idolatry when he is talking about these days. Otherwise, he would not say elsewhere: 2 Corinthians 6:11-18 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. ALSO take the context of Romans 14 from prior chapters, including the end of chapter 13: Romans 13: 11-14 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Aaron Monteiro Moses,
Perhaps you know not what spirit you are of. And it appears you don't have the same attitude of David when he was persecuted by King Saul who was in sin when he persecuted him. Yet when Saul was at the mercy of David, David spared him because he was the Lord's anointed. Secondly what you preach is ancient heresy in the history of History of Christianity called Donatism which states the validity of church ordinances depend on the character of the minister. And you are a Protestant, you believe in a Protestant Bible. And you like every Protestant pick and choose your own ear ticklers.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. 
- 2 Timothy 4:3-4

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, You are accumulating false teachers who are negating the priesthood of every truly born-again saint which the blessed Peter taught in 1Peter

Aaron Monteiro That is simply your ignorance of what the Catholic Church teaches which is that every baptized is part of the royal priesthood. But there is also an ordained priesthood. Jews in Old Testament times also likewise believed that they are God's priests to the Gentile world yet they had a priesthood with its religious ordinances. You don't like to submit to authority that was ordained by Christ Himself and you and the teachers you follow go in the way of Korah.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, How is a person baptized in your Catholic religion? LIC, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, Jesus Christ has eliminated the need for the catholic priesthood by becoming the empathizing Intercessor to every person who comes to Him DIRECTLY by faith. Love in Christ, Moses.

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

​Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Aaron, If the Donatists were Catholics before they rebelled against their authority, it doesn't prove anything. The true sheep of the Great Shepherd Jesus Christ will not submit to the authority of the false shepherds. Love in Christ, Moses. John 10:1-5
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Kerry Navara Moses, being that I was discussing the rightness of Christians celebrating the birth of Jesus, not incorporating pagan practices into the celebration, I do not see the connection to yoking ourselves to pagans. I wonder, though, do you participate in the pagan celebrations of birthdays, anniversaries, work service anniversaries? None of these practices are biblical and must be of pagan origin. Also, based on the Corinthians passages you cite, how can you yoke yourself to a pagan employer?

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, Maligning the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ through this pagan celebration which has no Biblical basis whatsoever, but has everything to do with satisfying the carnal desires of man is nothing different than the worship of the golden cow by God's people in the desert, as if God Himself would not satisfy their every desire in Christ Jesus. Celebrating any of the things you mentioned without the sole purpose of glorifying Christ is also the same thing! Love in Christ, Moses.

Kerry Navara Again, you do not answer my questions. So, according to you, you can celebrate birthdays and various anniversaries with the sole purpose of glorifying Christ but it is impossible to celebrate his birth with the sole purpose of glorifying Christ?

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, You are once again playing the Pharisee in pressing with your questions. You do not have to seek my opinion since it means nothing. The Spirit testifies to the Truth about the Lord Jesus Christ, The Alpha, and The Omega, when He says in response to the inclusion of the Name of Jesus Christ in this pagan tradition comprised of satisfying the lustful desires of man, "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."~2 Corinthians 6:15-18

Kerry Navara The reason I ask questions is to see how consistent your logic is. It seems to me that you deliberately do not answer questions that you do not want to, such as, do you disagree with any of Sean's theology? I am concerned about you--that you are afraid to take any stand contrary to the Church of Wells. I find it very interesting that you would think I am the Pharisee in this discussion, since you are the one who has made declarations about how God views others' celebrations of Christmas. You do not state your position as your own personal convictions on the matter, but rather how God views the matter. You supply Scripture passages, but you are no more of an authority - nor is the Church of Wells - on the accurate application of God's Word than other people. All must humbly seek the leading of the Holy Spirit. You have decided that Christmas practices are comparable to Belial and the practices of infidels. I think a more accurate comparison and application is Paul's instructions for individuals to follow their consciences concerning meat sacrificed to idols. You seem to think that people who believe or practice differently than you - or the Church of Wells - could not possibly have come to their convictions through a godly process of seeking God's will in their lives. Instead, you judge their devotion to God and compare them to Pharisees and heathen.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, This is not about my opinions or of The Church of Wells, but this is about uniting Christ with the pagan unbiblical celebration of man's covetousness and lusts. May the Lord help you to melt your stubborn heart to see how you are grieving God's Holy Spirit through your passionate support of the heathen revelry. Love in Christ, Moses.

Kerry Navara May the Lord help you to accurately read what I write so that you don't keep writing the same robotic retorts over and over. For example, you keep accusing me of things like "passionate support of the heathen revelry," after I have told you I am not supporting any pagan inclusion into Christmas but was only discussing with you the rightness of celebrating Jesus's birth. You always end with “love in Christ” but your tone and words don’t sound like the love of Christ to me.

Moses Mercy Preethi David Dear Kerry, I pray that you will celebrate Christ every day instead of yoking yourself with the heathen in this unbiblical practice of covetousness, idolatry and evil in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If the festival left the Name of Christ out of it, it still would be a wicked celebration, but by associating Christ's Name with it, it becomes particularly evil, and certainly would not be in Christ's will for a born-again believer whom Christ has called into the Light to partake of this darkness. Love in Christ, Moses.

Moses Mercy Preethi David "For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread: And when He had given thanks, He brake it, and said, Take, eat: this my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, ad off as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread and drink this cup, ye do she's the Lord's death till he come." -2 For 11:23-26.

David K Meier Moses Mercy Preethi David, can you just simply and honestly answer Kerry Navara's questions? Talking past him is annoying and it must be insulting to him.

William Bill Gramer David K Meier Moses Mercy Preethi David I am only today catching up with this thread and I want to share first that this brings back good memories of our discussions around your table Moses. 
I do want to add something - by total coincidence I hadn't seen this thread but on Christmas I posted the following link which is connected to a sermon that CH Spurgeon preached regarding Christmas. It's not a single quote it's an entire sermon.
Now a couple things one is that it means there's a problem with either what I'm posting or the single page that sort of started this which was ascribed to CH Spurgeon. But second I have CH Spurgeon sermons and there's more than just this one on which he discusses celebrating major events.

Anyway, this may be helpful for many people reading the thread because CH Spurgeon has wonderfully impacted my faith my life and my grasp of the gospel and Christian growth.

Lastly I have enjoyed many of the posts and contributions from people here. Dialogue that is two-way is healthy and fruitful around key issues of the gospel. ( aside: A friend just forwarded to our family with their Christmas letter another sermon Spurgeon preached – perhaps his last – which was given on New Year's Day 1892, I'll try to find a link to it and post it here because it's really wonderful on its own and yet also helps address many of the items raised in this thread. )

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1/20/2015 9:56 pm  #26

Re: Preethi and Moses David

Here's the Spurgeon sermon that last comment is talking about -


December 24, 2013  /  Truth Remains

On a cold Christmas Eve in December of 1854, the great preacher Charles Spurgeon stepped into his pulpit at Metropolitan Tabernacle of London and proceeded to preach a Christmas message entitled "The Birth of Christ" from Isaiah 7:14-15. Over a hundred years later, Spurgeon's concluding comments are a helpful encouragement to believers as we gather with family and friends this week. 

"Now a happy Christmas to you all; and it will be a happy Christmas if you have God with you. I shall say nothing to day against festivities on this great birthday of Christ. We will to-morrow think of Christ's birthday; we shall be obliged to do it, I am sure, however sturdily we may hold to our rough Puritanism. And so, 'let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavend bread of sincerity and truth.' Do not feast as if you wished to keep the festival of Bacchus; do not live to-morrow as if you adored some heathen divinity. Feast, Christians, feast; you have a right to feast. Go to the house of feasting to-morrow, celebrate your Saviour's birth; do not be ashamed to be glad; you have a right to be happy. Solomon says, 'Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.'

"Religion never was designed to make your pleasures less."

Recollect that your Master ate butter and honey. Go your way, rejoice tomorrow, but in your feasting, think of the Man in Bethlehem; let him have a place in your hearts, give him the glory, think of the virgin who conceived him, but think most of all of the Man born, the Child given. I finish by again saying, ---


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1/20/2015 10:26 pm  #27

Re: Preethi and Moses David

Preethi's latest. It's a redated, refreshed version of a previous blog post. That's okay, why reinvent the wheel?

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