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9/30/2014 8:15 pm  #11

Re: Preethi and Moses David

amanjenn1213 wrote:

We know how COW feels about Christmas. I guess Moses will conform to this belief also? We shall see in the upcoming months. It is sad to watch a person totally change what was probably a lifetime of beliefs, memories, and family traditions just to appease the son in law and his groupies.




10/13/2014 3:14 pm  #12

Re: Preethi and Moses David

Moses doesn't remember saying this. He doesn't know "the exact numbers" of the Church of Wells group.

Lemme help.
Just three weeks before, he knew the exact number (not 25 or 30, but 29) well enough to know how much the group would be impacted by the store closing. He even knew a count of babies, children and the unborn (49 - not somewhere around 50).

I guess he forgot he posted that on Facebook. Even though he responded to replies and posted again multiple times in the following days. Maybe previous posts don't show up on his computer screen? 

I don't want to be mean or hurtful. But this is strange and noticeable. There's only a few possible truthful answers:
• Mental issues. Really doesn't remember he said.
• A shared Facebook account. Preethi and Sean post. And whomever else has access? 
• Moses receives a script that he posts verbatim without spending much time (or any) reading what it says first.


10/13/2014 3:56 pm  #13

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So he responds with the typical CoW bible scripture du jour. Genesis 20, Abraham rescuing Lot with 318 men. Except that's not what Genesis 20 says. That passage is about the king who paid Abraham 1,000 shekels for the use of his wife/sister Sarah.
The business about Abraham rescuing his nephew is Genesis 14.

So again, they get their bible verses wrong.
Does it matter? Yes. It does. If they are going to be mean and ugly and use the bible to vilify and condemn other people, then they had better damn well get it right.

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10/14/2014 4:50 pm  #14

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From the Lamar Hankins article.

Q: I don’t believe that Moses David’s compulsion and loyalty to the “Church of Wells” group leaders is because of devotion to his daughter Preethi or fear of losing her.
I think it’s simply well-matched. It’s about his own pride. Never mind Preethi; he’s found something that reflects his own dogma back to him and a place where he’s ‘at home’.
He positioned Chris Faulkner as a leader in his own home church, straight out of this group. They all have the same doctrine, bible interpretations, and religious practice. It’s a no-brainer that he would appreciate Sean and Ryan’s philosophy.
It’s not about Preethi at all.

Keith: 2 days after the David family left their church of 17 years, Moses announced he was starting his new church (Bible study) out of his house. The David family was now beginning to believe that nearly all churches are false, and they have no where else to turn except the group of people that has been feeding them the information to begin with.
A few months later, the family was contemplating moving to wells, and Moses stopped trying to be an elder of his own church.

Bam - there it is!

It's about Moses David, not his daughter. He isn't supporting the group in order to avoid being cut off and to keep a relationship with Preethi. He's IN the group. So is his son Anand.

Why haven't they moved to Wells? Both are well-employed scientists in the 3M corporation. Most likely Sean and Ryan prayed about it and granted them dispensation to stay in Minnesota and keep their jobs. Moses addressed this on the Liberty For Captives forum. His job is more value to them than his presence in Wells with the group. 
Moses David knew about Sean Morris and Ryan Ringnald and "Church of Wells," although they may not have identified it that way. Like everybody else, they met somewhere along the way. Sean, Ryan, and probably Joy and the connection with Don Courville, groomed the family to join.

They all have a mutual connection and friend - a San Antonio, Texas group called "I'll Be Honest" and Linda Mann. That's how they met Chris Faulkner. All connected through, who does not support these young men's "ministry" or group.

There was already some connection to Texas when she applied for grad school at Galveston Medical School: "I had some carnal desires that inclined my heart towards Galveston."

Like Sean, Preethi wrote a lengthy tome, "The Gospel and the Core of Purity." In December 2012, Preethi composed a morbid and heavy yet still girlish yearnful dream of a husband, "The Man who Would take my Hand and Lead me to the Gallows" (chapter 10).

I include what follows to reveal to you an example of what you ought to value and consider as priceless in worth within a man whom you seek to marry. Each Christian woman may have a slightly varying perspective on the “perfect man of God" based on her understanding of Scriptures and knowledge of Christ, and here I will share mine with you. What is described here is a very meager description of a mighty vision I had of the perfect man of God.
He would stand between the fire and our family and yet he will take my hand and lead me to the gallows if Christ would so choose for us to die for His sake.

Of course, this is how Sean proposed to her. Because he had read her stuff. When she talked about sneaking behind her parents' backs prior to leaving for Wells, I suspect she got busted out for fooling around with Sean Morris. Very normal, in my opinion.

But it looks like she had the hots for Chris Faulkner first: 

"...the weakness of my flesh led to my downfall, Chris had a form of godliness that was likened to the vision I had of a Godly man. I had never met anyone who could recite so much Scripture, who sung hymns constantly, who open air preached, who wept as he prayed...and because of my besetting sins, I forsook Spiritual judgment...
I fell into sin emotionally being as a silly [ weak-willed, foolish] woman laden with sins and thus he crept his way into our home..."

During August, I went through another great temptation-related trial, which I cannot describe in detail, but I can say that my heart was broken and laid bare.

2012 was a pivotal year for this family and for Preethi. A lot of angst and life changes.

So the whole time parents of this group were talking with Preethi's parents, they were already involved with them. They were converts themselves. They just didn't tell you that.


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10/16/2014 2:39 pm  #15

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August 13, 2014: "During those months [April/May 2013] my heart was drawn to the I'll Be Honest Community because of their large percentage of true Christians, and the doctrinal understanding of the straight gate (the fruits of true Christianity). They were the Godliest people I knew..."
"A dear friend from the I'll Be Honest Community, Linda Mann connected me to Sean Morris, an elder at the Church of Wells, and Chris Faulkner, an ex-Church of Wells member..."

Chris Faulkner (and most of the others in the 'Church of Wells' group) knew Linda Mann since 2011. Moses has known Linda Mann since at least April 2013. In June 2013, Anand David connected with Linda as well.

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10/16/2014 4:09 pm  #16

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Preethi's stuff

Preethi and the David family left the New Life Church after 23 years in May 2013 - 

May 7, 2013: "Why I Did not "Repent"      Preethi explains to her former church why she could not "repent".
This link takes you to a prezi which presents the Gospel and alludes to ~ 20 different false doctrines without any mention of the Bible study/teacher. She sent this to the elders a few days after she told Pastor Mark about the false teaching. He then informed the elders of the identity of the teacher and the nature of the situation.

What happened - Preethi was apparently in a "leadership position" in their church. She reported that a teacher was teaching false doctine in some class. She complained to the elders and church leadership. It turned out to be a theological objection - she thought it was false doctrine and heresy. She calls it "a free ticket to heaven."
It turned into the leadership reviewing the doctine and determining that it was sound. She and her father disagreed. The family met with the elders and tried to explain why they believed it to be heretical. The teacher and elders continued to disagree. The family continued to insist they were wrong. They asked for a "three-way meeting" with the teacher. The elders refused and wrote them a formal letter saying that Preethi's allegations were false. 
Preethi thought the teacher was a liar, so she called the teacher and secretly taped her, in order to bust her out and get it on record. She skips over how it all came out and doesn't say what she did with the recording, but they seemed to have sent it to a bunch of people. They wanted the matter heard by the congregation.
The elders called Preethi "a false witness" and asked her to repent for resorting to deception. She wouldn't. So they asked her to step down from leadership positions and find another church to go to because she used deception and would not repent.

Preethi's spiritual beliefs - 

Aug 2013: Excerpts from the introduction to Preethi's book, "The Perseverance of the Saints"
"Set before me is a needful task for which I remain entirely at His mercy to fulfill. I have been compelled and prayerful about writing to you all a summary of the Lord’s conviction of my soul in the recent months from His Word concerning the Perseverance of the Saints. I am addressing primarily my dear fellows in Christ who have known and loved me, the I’ll Be Honest Community, to whom I am forever indebted for the love and truth which I have received from many of you, and the larger bride of Christ scattered throughout the world."

In the past three years, I became strongly convinced with my whole being of each of the five points of Calvinism.

As most of you know, our family spoke and prayed against a false doctrine in our former church, “Free Grace Theology” akin to the “Carnal Christian” doctrine which teaches that there are justified people who continue in a lifestyle of sinful rebellion with no growth in holiness until the time of their death, and are still saved on judgment day. “By no means”, my soulhas cried.

As of several months ago, I was a strong proponent of unconditional eternal security: all those who are truly saved will persevere until the end. And I continue to hold this belief. True salvation is eternal life. It is eternal. It cannot be lost. God knows and has chosen His eternal sheep. All that the Father has given to Christ will come to Him and He will raise them up on the last day. They are saved for eternity.

However, my understanding of the possibility of falling away has changed.

But the Counsel of His Word has made it exceedingly clear to me, that it is a real possibility to fall away from faith, not false faith, but real faith. By real faith I mean belief that for the time that it persists within the soul, gives a person varying degrees of knowledge of Christ, access to the heavenly realms, sanctification by the Holy Spirit, and a temporary standing before the Lord through the blood of the Covenant.

About meeting Sean Morris -

Oct 8, 2013: "I discovered the Church of Wells a few months ago through a dear friend, and was incredibly blessed from the start with the sermons and writings that I heard.

However, in due time I started to read internet slander against the church, most of which I did not believe, because it was from ungodly sources, carnal men..."

"With time, I became good friends with some people who had come out from this church, and I heard many more accusations against the church: namely that they preached wrath and not love, that they had ungodly zeal, and that they cut ties with their families. Since I trusted these friends, I believed their witness and my attitude towards the church changed, my burden waned, and I ceased to pray for them to the degree that I had previously."


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10/18/2014 2:07 am  #17

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                   AN OPEN LAMENT OF “

       May the LORD have mercy. I have recently gone through the content on, “Discerning the Church of Wells”.  LORD have mercy. It seemed necessary to my soul to openly proclaim that I am grieved, yes, even ashamed, at the behavior of those herein who have made themselves to be judges of this matter: HeartCry, Paul Washer, Marc Glass, Mack Tomlinson, Greg Gordon, Matt Slick, Andrew Rappaport, Tony Miano… I am grieved at the author of this website, who lacked the audacity to name himself/theirselves, as well as the individuals whose public statements are portrayed. I need not even bring up some of their names (e.g. Sonia Smith, Leah Caldwell, Wikipedia) for “what have I to judge them also that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth…” (1 Cor 5:12-13).

       Firstly I am grieved at the conglomeration of spirits that do speak in the statements and articles presented there. Paul Washer, HeartCry, and the rest who acclaim the true Gospel, have you not purposed long ago not to forge alliances with the wicked? Have you not regarded the terrible holiness of the LORD, whereby darkness and evil, and all who reside in such cannot enter His presence for they would be destroyed by the far off rays proceeding from the brightness of His appearance? Mr. Tomlinson, would you let Andrew Rappaport, Matt Slick, or Tony Miano speak at an I’ll Be Honest Conference? Matt Slick, would you let the authors of the Wikipedia page or Sonia Smith speak at your church? HeartCry would you openly declare that the Groves are certainly converted and honest individuals? Have you not purposed, I’ll Be Honest Community, to come out from false Christianity, to be separate in holiness, in doctrines of true conversion, and prayer for revival? I’ll Be Honest Community, when have you ever referenced the heathen to declare something assuredly to the remnant and the world? When have you ever chosen to partner with any and every source and witness available…and simply to justify an unjust condemnation? I am ashamed. I love you all. The LORD knows that I (and the brethren here many of whom do not even know you personally) do bear you upon my heart continually. I will not rest in the travail of my soul until the LORD Himself has chosen to be finished with you or He delivers you safely to His heavenly Kingdom! If only you had footage of our prayer meetings, the hours of weeping and agony that we have before the LORD—grief that is not self-derived, but granted by the Spirit, who reveals the deep things of the heart of God. The grief is over your backslidings, over the darkness that is coming over you even as you continue to reject us. How will you hear His voice? How will you feel His pleasure? How will you be received by this King when you have chosen to behave in this foolish manner, when you refuse to even meet us and speak to us, when you make statements assuring the world that Leonard Ravenhill, Rolfe Barnard, and Charles Spurgeon would certainly not approve of our doctrine or practices and that they would not worship with us? What exactly have you done? You have openly declared that we are sheep in wolves clothing, that we are not converted, that we are trying to promote our “error-filled cause”. You accuse us of cutting ties with our families, and yet you have cut ties with us in the name of a righteous separation. But you have not even spoken to us! You believe Greg Gordon who had a personal experience with “two young men” from our church. You believe the online community of slander instigated by less than 10 parents, mothers specifically, who have slandered us unrighteously. How will you stand before Him? He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbor cometh and searcheth him (Prov 18:17). The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going (Prov 14:15)

  That be far from Thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? (Gen 18:25)

       I committed your same error in the past: I believed the reports of a few witnesses and concluded that the Church of Wells was extreme, unrighteously judgmental and zealous, that they were simply young people filled with a zeal that lacks knowledge and that they had a pride about themselves…exactly as your website does seek to portray them, I once believed this. For I had met several people like this in the past. I believe I know exactly the type of brutish young men that you are seeking to present our elders as: those who love power, who lack the Spirit, who are zealous, but have no brokenness or prayer life, no true nearness to the sweet presence of the merciful LORD Jesus Christ, those who are not actually living off of the fountain of life through the abiding presence of the LORD of the Gospel of grace, those who refuse to consider that they may be wrong in any sense. The LORD knows what you are trying to present them as, and you likely believe in your conscience that they are such. But as I have stated before, I could not continue in my steadfastness before the LORD and in a pure conscience for as long as I had been foolish and believed these things without even speaking to them, without even hearing their witness. You have not met them! You do not know them! How is it that you claim to be wise, a Spiritual shepherd regarding what the remnant ought to do concerning us, when you do not speak to us. You have not even reproved us to our face. You say you know of “so-and-so” who has? But have you? Any of us will wholeheartedly speak to you face to face or on the phone. We desire to speak with you, to even host you in our homes, and give you our best Spiritually and physically, if only you may understand the truth of the presence of the LORD with us, and His truth with us, not that we may be affirmed, simply, but that you may not proceed into deep darkness, that you may not continue in your doctrinal prison of Calvinism, that you may not be deceived into rejecting the LORD Jesus Christ, who is Himself eternal life.

       I was once a Calvinist, a very strong one, as were our elders and many of the brethren here. I understood all the logical connectedness and complexity of TULIP. I refused to be taught by anyone who was not a Calvinist. The thought of falling away seemed highly heretical to me. I was like most of you. However, you yourself, Mack Tomlinson, have stated somewhere that you held to the belief that there were many Arminians in church history who are to be held in honor as true saints though they differed on matters of predestination, eternal security, etc. Charles Leiter even mentioned that he has invited Arminian pastors to preach at his church. So clearly, you are not writing off ALL who believe in falling from grace as most certainly heretical and unconverted. [ I must note, in case any of you were unaware: we do not call ourselves Calvinists or Arminians. We believe in predestination as well as in the possibility for true saints to fall ultimately from grace. We do not believe that man has a free will]. But for reasons you state, you believe that we, specifically, have heretical beliefs, that we do not even believe in the true Gospel, that we are somehow trusting in our works and not in Christ…

       It appears that some of your main charges against us are that we “cut ties with families” and that we are unrighteously judgmental and proud. Greg Gordon describes how the young men he spent time with would not hear any counsel. But could you deny that if a young man were truly anointed of the LORD, no old man’s counsel could deter him? You reply that you could not deny it but that we are not anointed of the LORD. But have you spoken to our elders? Would it not be your basic human benevolence to meet with our elders even if you feel in your conscience that you must reprove them? Do you not desire to hear them out and see for yourselves if they have the Spirit, or if the Spirit would convict you by them? Is this an error in judgment that you can afford to make? Oh may the LORD trouble your souls night and day if indeed we be of the LORD!

       In great hope that you may understand or at least reconsider, I feel that I must bear witness to a few things that I have witnessed here: specifically the prayer meetings, and the personal lives of the elders.

       There is a notion among you that we lack brokenness, contrition, poverty of spirit, the heart of prayer to kneel before God. To the contrary one of the greatest blessings of this church is the prayer meetings. There are corporate weekly prayer meetings, and impromptu house meetings and smaller gatherings in addition. The prayer meetings start out with brief exhortations and updates from the elders and a few hymns are sung to prepare our souls to worship. Immediately the meeting begins. They are usually between 5 and 8 hours long. And they are glorious. The vast majority of the brothers and a good number of sisters pray, sometimes once, sometimes 4 times, as the LORD leads, and oh, I cannot describe in words how they do pour out their hearts as wax in the presence of the LORD! It is as in my own personal prayer times, when I am very filled with the Spirit and enabled to pour out my heart to the LORD, but these brethren have learned to do this corporately. There are many tears and many burdens. The burdens vary from world-wide broad prayers for the LORD to revive His church and save His remnant and judge the wicked with the WORD of God that men might repent, fear God, and give Him glory, specific burdens such as for HeartCry and Paul Washer, the I’ll Be Honest Community, the blasphemy of Joel Osteen and Benny Hinn, for family members. There is not one of the brethren who is not broken-hearted over a lost/falsely converted family member [why is it so strange to you that we have falsely converted family members? I’ll Be Honest Community, this should not be strange to you!]. Mothers will weep and cry out for their unsaved children. Often we will cry out for the Spiritual burdens of each others’ souls, for particular backslidden souls among the remnant, who once were with us, but have been subverted by Chris Faulkner or Christine Major and a few others[you can contact us if you would like more details about the truth concerning these individuals]. Often there are spontaneous givings of praise, thanks, and glory to God. The brethren groan and cry and wail before the LORD. The elders and brothers are often face down on the floor. Tears and mucus covers the floors. Sin is found out. Brethren weep in repentance over sin over transient backslidings over slothfulness of soul and abating of zeal. I have never seen anything like this! I have never even heard of anything like this! And how the LORD does come near and reside with us, and the convicting Spirit, and His all-surpassing peace, and His outpouring of charity…how He does fill our heart with a holy vengeance against the stumbling blocks of His bride! And then our God rides through the heavens in His majesty to save His anointed people, granting the requests of our lips. Many miracles have happened: God has miraculously sustained us financially. Brethren who were told by doctor specialists that they could never have children have multiple arrows in their quivers. The elders often prophesy when sisters will conceive. Many who are sick are prayed for by elders and brethren and healed as the LORD wills. Of utmost significance, gates of spiritual iron are opened, bars of imprisonment of souls are cut asunder. Men fall on their faces and repent. Oh how the LORD has heard our prayers and turned the hearts of many whom we have cried out for together. Since I came here last November, this has happened more times than I can remember. And many of these brethren are with us now!

       Regarding the personal lives of the elders, I am acquainted with all three, but my husband’s more of course. I wish you could see and behold what I do dear saints. You hear fiery preaching on our website, and indeed our elders preach to us with the fire of God not only on Sunday assemblies but throughout the week in weekday meetings, prayer meetings, and one-on-one, or in small groups in less formal settings. They are filled with exhortations, reproofs, and words of counsel for each brethren. They watch over souls with the utmost diligence, for their LORD is Christ, not fame or rising prominence among you all as you deem. You do not see the nights they spend up with saints struggling with sin. You do not see my husband face down on the bedroom floor mourning before the LORD until sunrise. You do not see him praying and weeping with me in my arms to the point of exhaustion that God would make him His worthy servant! You do not see Ryan Ringnald pleading with saints and sinners with Scriptures and abounding love for hours daily! You do not see Jake Gardner leaving the comforts of his family and home to check on the welfare of a fainting saint in another state and having his family vacate their home and stay in the room of another brother’s house so that a brother’s wife and children from overseas could join him in the comfort of a his home. You do not see them on their knees, laboring in prayer, in WORD, and doctrine for your sake. You do not see their meetings together, the three of them, crying out to the LORD against false prophets, crying out for empowerment and anointing that only the LORD of hosts can give! We elders’ wives often have to remind our husbands to eat and to sleep! They are spent for the LORD! And you would deign to call them prayerless proud young ignorant zealots! LORD have mercy!  You think they are youthful and unlearned. Dear saints, I have spent years laboring in the presence of God to find out the nature of the soul of an anointed man of God, and I had largely chosen to remain with the ancients. But these three elders…they are elderly in their souls; they are no fools in the sight of God! Oh would you ask your God!?

       It is an abominable thing which you have done. May the merciful LORD help you repent. We are here for you dear remnant. All that we have is yours. If the LORD desires that our blood be shed to show you the extent of our love for you, even as we do judge your wickedness, may He make us faithful, worthy, and bold to die the martyrs death!

       Finally ready yourselves, beloved Calvinists, for your wall daubed with untempered mortar, UNCONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY, to be rent and broken! Indeed within the cleft of the Rock of Jesus Christ alone is eternal security!

  10 Because, even because they have seduced My people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter 11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. 15 Thus will I accomplish My wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; (Ez 13:10-16)


10/18/2014 2:07 am  #18

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10/19/2014 7:09 pm  #19

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In a nutshell, this is what Preethi's issue is. 

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11/22/2014 12:18 am  #20

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Moses David. November 2014.

"It is very very sad when Christian children reject the souls of their parents by proclaiming peace to them while the parents on the broad road to destruction."

"It is equally sad when the parents despise their children for simply obeying God's call in their lives."  18 Nov 2014

"You can choose to take sides with the heathen as Pilate joined with Herod to persecute Christ."  21 Nov 2014


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